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[updated due to Vlad's link] - to see the rest of the articles on SBS 2008 click here

SBS 2008, like SBS 2003, comes with a server backup tool.  Unlike SBS 2003, this one supports USB drives as a great removable solution,but does not support tapes.  Tapes are not really required unless you need good archival solutions as keeping a rotation of tapes in a warehouse for 10 years would be more cost effective than keeping a stack of USB drives.

The Console setup process (Once SBS is set up, how to do the basic configuration through the management console) sets up SBS 2008 for use.  As you work down the list in the console you will come to backup.  The process to enable this is all quite simple:

 

The 1st time I ran the tool I did not have a removable drive attached to the system, so it failed to start the process properly

07 - Backup start up (2)07 - Backup start up  

 

I then attached my 500GB external drive and started again.  I picked my device and gave it a name:

07 - Backup setup  07 - Backup setup (2) 07 - Backup setup (3)

 

Chose what got backed up (note that everything from the system drive gets backed up!), when and then confirm everything

07 - Backup setup (4) 07 - Backup setup (5) 07 - Backup setup (6)

 

Since the backup drives are formatted, you are given one last chance, then off it goes

07 - Backup setup (7) 07 - Backup setup (8)     

 

That completed the process before you move down the list.  Finally, all the SBS 2008 entries can be found at http://davidoverton.com/blogs/doverton/archive/tags/SBS+2008/default.aspx

ttfn

David


Posted Fri, May 30 2008 6:21 PM by David Overton

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Vlad Mazek - Vladville Blog » Blog Archive » Not singing with the choir in 2008 wrote Vlad Mazek - Vladville Blog » Blog Archive » Not singing with the choir in 2008
on Fri, May 30 2008 9:04 PM

Pingback from  Vlad Mazek - Vladville Blog  » Blog Archive   » Not singing with the choir in 2008

Graeme Stirling wrote re: How to configure server backup in SBS 2008
on Fri, May 30 2008 9:36 PM

David,

That looks excellent!

Couple of questions:

* Is this just the new version of NTBackup?

* What sort of backup is taken? - Is it just one huge .bak file or does the server get imaged as a backup?

* How come MS have stopped support of Tape backup drives? - Does this mean that a client who has an LTO2 drive cannot use it with SBS 2008

* When do us Action Pack/ Technet customers get our dirty mits on the RTM version?

* Are we ever going to see you back up here in Edinburgh at one of the user group meetings?!

Cheers

Graeme

The Official SBS Blog wrote SBS 2008 how-to info on David Overton's blog
on Tue, Jun 3 2008 11:58 PM

For some great SBS 2008 "how to" guidance, be sure to check out David Overton's blog . SBS 2008 Install

David Overton's Blog wrote Once SBS is set up, how to do the basic configuration through the management console
on Thu, Jun 5 2008 12:04 AM

[updated 5th June 2008 - as last 2 sections now online] I saw Vijays’s post on SBS 2008 RC0 Installation

Martin Pavlis - KPCS CZ, s.r.o., www.kpcs.cz wrote SBS 2008: Nahlednete do pristi verze
on Thu, Jun 12 2008 12:59 PM

SBS 2008: Nahlednete do pristi verze

TechNet Blog CZ/SK wrote SBS 2008: Nahlédněte do přístí verze
on Thu, Jun 12 2008 1:01 PM

Pokud se zajímáte o nový SBS 2008 a rádi byste se na něj jen tak “koukli”, můžete navštívit blog Davida

TechNet Blog CZ/SK wrote SBS 2008: Nahlednete do pristi verze
on Thu, Jun 12 2008 1:01 PM

Pokud se zajímáte o nový SBS 2008 a rádi byste se na něj jen tak “koukli”, můžete navštívit blog Davida

tezfair wrote re: How to configure server backup in SBS 2008
on Mon, Sep 1 2008 5:19 PM

You mention using USB drives, and while I am starting to use these devices more than tapes, they have (had) a problem with files over 20Gb in size.

Despite many updates / fixes / reg edits all the servers I have external hard drives attached to simply freeze once a file hits 20Gb.

Such a file could be (and usually is) NTBackups of exchange.

I hope this is going to be resolved in future versions

Computer Network Consulting wrote re: How to configure server backup in SBS 2008
on Thu, Sep 11 2008 6:26 AM

" When do us Action Pack/ Technet customers get our dirty mits on the RTM version?"

Ditto that.. When will we get the full version in the Action Pack?

David Overton wrote re: How to configure server backup in SBS 2008
on Thu, Sep 11 2008 7:52 AM

Lets just say that we are keen for you to get it as soon as possible - I'd expect it in the next shipment, but I can't get that confirmed yet.

ttfn

David

Steven wrote re: How to configure server backup in SBS 2008
on Sat, Nov 29 2008 5:00 AM

Sure would be dandy if I could figure out how to send the jobs to a NAS drive instead.

Hey tezfair, make sure your drives are formatted NTFS rather than FAT32.

Ed wrote re: How to configure server backup in SBS 2008
on Wed, Dec 17 2008 3:37 AM

And RDX type drives still have a problem in not being found.  You can go to the backup console and do a one time but it will not configure through normal setup.  You also can't get it to allow a backup schedule because the setup can not find a "valid" USB drive.....  Was a problem with SBS 2003 with removable drives and it does not look like they fixed it in the newest version of backup.  Shame that something with removable 500 GB/ 1 TB compressed is not supported.....

bishal_pradhan97@yahoo.com wrote re: How to configure server backup in SBS 2008
on Wed, Sep 23 2009 9:48 AM

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Steve Wright wrote re: How to configure server backup in SBS 2008
on Tue, Nov 3 2009 4:07 PM

Just spoke to MSFT support re: backing up to an RDX type drive and was told a hotfix should be available in 4-6 weeks!

tammy d wrote re: How to configure server backup in SBS 2008
on Fri, Nov 13 2009 4:57 PM

we have just installed sbs 2008.  i bought an external hard drive to do the backup.  the wizard only finds the c:  we have a public n: that has all of our data in.  how can i get the backup to include that info as well?  at the same time-daily with the system backup?

David Overton wrote re: How to configure server backup in SBS 2008
on Sat, Nov 14 2009 1:22 PM

Tammy D,

Do you mean the backup does not show your new hard disk to backup too, or that you want to backup a network drive on an other server and it will not back that up?

thanks

David

rob wrote re: How to configure server backup in SBS 2008
on Mon, Feb 15 2010 8:52 PM

The purpose of a backup is to hold dear information safe.  If SBS2008 can only perform backups to connected USB or firewire external HD then inherently it is completely worthless as the drives will have to be located within a cable length of the server.   A fire/flood will take out the server and your backup drive together.  Why did they take out the functionality of backing up  to a network accesible drive  that could be located in another room or even building ?

David Overton wrote re: How to configure server backup in SBS 2008
on Mon, Feb 15 2010 10:28 PM

Rob,

unfortunately Windows Server 2008 backup can only backup to a network share when using the command line and tape using 3rd party products.  Configuring the command line is quite simple.

The advice is to have mulitple backup devices and regularly swap them.  I found that getting someone in the office to be responsible for the "off-site" storage of said device worked well.  For many small businesses, if they have a flood, this has a huge impact on the business and WAN based backups are often too difficult.  If you are a SBSC partner providing services for your customers, understanding their backup needs is key and you can then recommend the best service.  For many, the USB backup is easily good enough, for those where it is not, then 3rd party software (like the other 3rd party software installed on the system) is a great way to go.  Microsoft is very happy for other software companies to provide value add to it's products!

Thanks

David

Nick wrote re: How to configure server backup in SBS 2008
on Tue, Feb 23 2010 9:06 PM

I am also wondering when/how we can get Windows Server 2008 R2 to recognize our RDX drive as a backup device with Windows Server Backup.  Anyone have a solution for this yet?

David Overton wrote re: How to configure server backup in SBS 2008
on Mon, Mar 1 2010 7:15 AM

Nick,

unfortunately this is 100% down to HP and their drivers. Talk ot HP.

Thanks

David

Anthony wrote re: How to configure server backup in SBS 2008
on Thu, May 20 2010 4:40 PM

I'm int the same situation with a Dell Rd1000 internal drive (removable disk-based cartridges).

When we purchased a Dell T300 server the RD1000 was specced along with a number of the cartridges as well as SBS 2008.

Unfortunately all of that is wasted since SBS2008 won't recognize the drive as a valid backup destination.

So, it looks like we are forced to purchase 3rd party software that is SBS compatible (Exchange-aware ?) and supports the RD1000.....all because SBS won't recognize a piece of hardware sold for the sole purpose of backups......a bit crazy to me.

David Overton wrote re: How to configure server backup in SBS 2008
on Thu, May 20 2010 6:51 PM

Anthony,

While you might want to blame MS, I would look towards HP and their drivers.  SBS simply leverages the Windows Backup technology, so these drives would have problems on SBS or non-SBS boxes.

Sorry

David

Jack Parsons wrote re: How to configure server backup in SBS 2008
on Wed, Jun 23 2010 8:30 AM

David,

I have a client with a Dell PowerEdge 1900 (8 GB RAM / 2 TB - RAID 5).  They have an RD1000 drive.  When the server was running SBS 2k3, you could hack the registry and make it see an RD 1000 removable drive, but you would have to configure the back up and point it to a USB drive first.   If you ever reconfigured the backup, you had to rehack the registry.

We just upgraded to SBS 2008.  It was a failed migration and I did a clean install of SBS 2008.  It won't see the RD 1000 drives either.  I went and purchased a brand new 1 TB USB drive and the SBS 2008 Backup Wizard goes through the motion of "formatting the drive" and configuring the backup, then fails.  I have tried three different drives.

I am not particularly fond of SBS 2008, if it were not for 64 bit support, I would be going backwards running and screaming.

Jack

David Overton wrote re: How to configure server backup in SBS 2008
on Wed, Jun 23 2010 9:56 AM

Jack,

the very fact you have to hack around in the registry to get a drive to be visible points out, IMHO, how poorly implemented the drivers are for this device.

If you are having problems with any / every USB drive, I would suggest a call to MS Support.

It would be good to understand what you don't like about SBS 2008.

Thanks

David

Jeff wrote re: How to configure server backup in SBS 2008
on Wed, Jul 28 2010 4:43 PM

Not sure if this is the right thread for this but...  My brother and I got the RD1000 and for some reason we cannot even get the device to be accepted by the system.  When trying to access it in My Computer or trying the manual eject button.  Computer will freeze or not eject unless power is reset to the device.  I know there are problems using the built-in  backup in SBS2008 but is sbs2008 typically having this problem also with the device itself?  Since we have 3rd party software, Symantec Backup Exec.  Iv heard that part of the process shouldn't be too large of a problem.  Do i just have a defective device?

gr wrote re: How to configure server backup in SBS 2008
on Wed, Aug 18 2010 2:11 PM

I have found that certain models of USB external drives do not work with SBS2008 and or my DL360G5.

Toshiba Canvio Plus 1.0 TB USB 2.0 Portable External Hard Drive E05A100PBU2XK   did work (for backup anyway)

Did not work:

re: LaCie 301848U USB 2.0 Neil Poulton 1TB Rugged XL eSATA External Hard Drive

The case is nice and cushiony! I think this drive will have decent shock resistance.

My problem was trying to use it with SBS2008 on a DL360G5 server. Initial plug in and detect was ok, but when trying to run the SBS backup, the entire server bogged down to thousands of times slower than normal. Exiting the backup did not help, not did removing power from the drive. The server returned to normal after disconnecting the USB plug (drive power was already off). I returned these

Did work:

I am now using Toshiba Canvio Plus 1.0 TB USB 2.0 Portable External Hard Drive E05A100PBU2XK which mostly work (server will not reboot with drive plugged in).(could not find C:). Unplugging lets it boot normally.

gr

Other folks have said: (from Mark Minasi forum site);

USB Drives that did not work:

750gb WD my passport essential; Server 2008 not supported

IOmega Ultramax no go

LaCie Rugged XL 1 TB

Buffalo MiniStation external USB drives eventually go "offline"

IOSafe Solo: not yet supported: http://www.iosafe.com/faq-solo

-----------------------------------------

Drives that work:

2 users:Toshiba Canvio Plus 1.0 TB USB 2.0 Portable External Hard Drive E05A100PBU2XK

Seagate, including 1 TB (reviews of Seagate USB say poor reliability)

Kaser

Seagate FreeAgent Desktop Hard Drive - ST310005FDA1E1-RK

2 users: Buffalo DriveStation Model number hd-cx1.0tu2, 1TB

David Overton wrote re: How to configure server backup in SBS 2008
on Fri, Sep 3 2010 11:19 PM

gr,

If a drive with power turned off impacts your server I would suspect the cable or the hardware on the end of the cable.  I would also look in the event log and the resource monitor to see what is actually causing the slow down (memory, disk or cpu).

Thanks

David

Dave Thompson wrote re: How to configure server backup in SBS 2008
on Tue, Sep 21 2010 8:54 AM

Does anyone know what the script might be for setting nightly scheduled backups at 10pm to a mapped drive please.

We have an external USB connected to a PC in a building next door but its on the same network that the SBS 2008 server has access to. We can easily run once backups to this drive \\192.168.10.10\backups\daily\ but the wizard will not allow us to set scheduled backups to this external usb thats mapped. I appreciate I can use it if I pop it into the sbs 2008 server but thats in the same room etc. I need it in the building next door but one, just incase of fire/flood etc. So if anyone has the required script that can run nightly backups at 10pm to \\192.168.10.10\backups\daily\ that would be great, even better if they could be set to overwrite the existing backups on the mapped drive by a certain amount of days

Mosh wrote re: How to configure server backup in SBS 2008
on Mon, Mar 28 2011 7:37 PM

David:

The last comment on this thread is a few months old so I hope it's OK to post here.  Your response from 2/15/2010 mentions "The advice is to have mulitple backup devices and regularly swap them," something I've been trying to configure in SBS2008 for weeks now.

I have several external USB hard drives that I'd like to rotate on a daily basis but, for the life of me, I cannot figure out how to configure Server Backup to do it.  I've tried attaching each drive individually, first giving them all the same label, next giving them different labels.  In each scenario, backup fails unless the last configured drive is the one that's attached.

Can you offer some guidance on how to configure Server Backup to allow me to rotate in/out individual drives?  Again, the point is to keep all of the drives offsite except for the one that is needed onsite for that day's backup.

Thanks.

David Overton wrote re: How to configure server backup in SBS 2008
on Tue, Mar 29 2011 8:07 AM

Mosh,

I asked the SBS team at work as this was not something I have experienced and they suggested you look at support.microsoft.com/.../2009365, which basically says add the previous drive when adding the new or us wbadmin to add the drives.

Thanks

David

Mosh wrote re: How to configure server backup in SBS 2008
on Fri, Apr 1 2011 2:59 PM

David:

Thanks for the pointer.  Backup is now working properly with multiple, swappable drives.  Very much appreciated and, when you get the chance, please pass the thanks along to the SBS team as well.

Jeantot wrote re: How to configure server backup in SBS 2008
on Tue, Apr 12 2011 3:28 PM

Hey david,

Seeing that this tread is active again, i wonder something with these multi external drives. most of the time our customers are using 2 external drives. using wbadmin to setup works perfect. the problem is.  We use 1external drive for midnights and 1 over day. the day one gets removed afther work hours and connect again in the morning, however the problem seems to b with active and online. as it keeps write to the one used last (midnight one) but the dialy does show active in the console. so i wonder if its possible to solve this? like do you have to disconnect the midnight to run the daily or there is nothing like a priorities witch to write a selected drive as first?

thanks already,

Jeantot

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